Odd occurencies in NoCeM

[Tom Furie]

Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

Cheers,
Tom

[Marco Moock]

Post by Tom Furie
Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

[Tom Furie]

Post by Marco Moock
IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
long as the spam gets shut down?

Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

[Marco Moock]

Post by Tom Furie
Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

Sadly, I don't. IIRC it was when discussing about the closure of the
alphanet NNTP server.

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by Tom Furie

Post by Marco Moock
IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
long as the spam gets shut down?

I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
doing legit spam cancels on usenet?
--scott

[Ray Banana]

Post by Scott Dorsey
I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
doing legit spam cancels on usenet?

Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
on Usenet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ovh

[Eric M]

Post by Ray Banana
Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
on Usenet.

And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop
Alphanet. Oh, and one of his user is polluting the fr.* hierarchy with
absolutely no reaction from the newsmaster. So I think people can
blacklist him :)

[llp]

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
on Usenet.

And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop
Alphanet.

Eric M. the most famous troll of fr hierarchy was speaking.
you're like a cancer

[Eric M]

Post by llp
you're like a cancer

Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

[Ray Banana]

Post by Eric M

Post by llp
you're like a cancer

Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

Thank you both for illustrating my point.

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by Ray Banana

Post by Scott Dorsey
I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
doing legit spam cancels on usenet?

Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
on Usenet.

Aha! So they are not ovh at all. This is good.
--scott

[Ray Banana]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Tom Furie
Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

[Retro Guy]

Post by Ray Banana

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Tom Furie
Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.
If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
triggers i2pn2's spam filter.
Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

There is no war.

Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me
know about it!

[Retro Guy]

Post by Retro Guy

Post by Ray Banana

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Tom Furie
Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.
If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
triggers i2pn2's spam filter.
Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

There is no war.
Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me
know about it!

I found the problem and corrected it. It looks like it's been happening for
just about exactly the last 24 hours.

I see what happened, but I'll make some changes to avoid it happening again.
Somehow, the account (ovh nocem) made it's way into my perma-banned accounts,
which is automated. I have removed it, and will keep monitoring as I fix
what caused that.

Thank again for bringing it to my attention!

[yamo']

Hi,

Post by Ray Banana
I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...

[Retro Guy]

Post by yamo'
Hi,

Post by Ray Banana
I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...

I agree, it makes perfect sense.

I did already have nocems on a whitelist, but it wasn't working properly.
I have fixed that and it seems ok now :)

[yamo']

Hi,

Post by Ray Banana
I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?

Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
(nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

[Ray Banana]

Post by yamo'

Post by Ray Banana
I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?
Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
(nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

[Eric M]

Post by Ray Banana
A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.

Post by Ray Banana
Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right
activists like LLP so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",
but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further, mail me
if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

[llp]

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.

Post by Ray Banana
Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right
activists like LLP

Do you intend to continue the slanderous comments I've been subjected
to for three years on the fr hierarchy ?
Try doing something useful with your ten fingers: it'll be a nice
change

Post by Eric M
so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",

I know, you have trouble with the truth.

Post by Eric M
but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further,
mail me if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

Do you really think you'll be better at distilling your lies in
private?

[llp]

Post by yamo'
Hi,

Post by Ray Banana
I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

There's no quarrel between us.

Post by yamo'
Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
(nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

You are the *only* feed of newmoweb.net/
So Julien Arlandis, the real newsmasters of nemoweb, will do what you
want if you ask him.
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

Sincerely.

[yamo']

Post by llp
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

I asked him many times...

[Eric M]

Post by yamo'

Post by llp
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

I asked him many times...

I asked him too, but he is still joinable somehow.

[Eric M]

Post by yamo'

Post by llp
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

I asked him many times...

I asked him too, but he is still reachable somehow.

[llp]

Post by yamo'

Post by llp
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

I asked him many times...

Your server is his only feed.
You should ask him with a bit more conviction ;-)

[Eric M]

Post by Tom Furie
Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

A NoCem is a wolf to another NoCem.