No spam in these nocems

[llp]

nono le petit robot a exprimé avec précision dans
<uro04v$186$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> :

[cut]

[Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]
This is a notice for a spam detected by a spamAssassin script.
The message referenced after NCM BODY is probably a spam.

[cut]

###############
<https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>
###############

[cut]

#################################
<https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html>
#################################
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240228200501.1260
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Same problem with nocem <uro1jq$4mk$***@rasp.pasdenom.info>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: ***@pasdenom.info
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 3
Notice-ID: fr.20240228203001.4802
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
<uro1cn$1lo4$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1cs$1rl2$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
<uro1fb$1lo4$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Same problem with nocem <url9du$pvs$***@rasp.pasdenom.info>:
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Issuer: ***@pasdenom.info
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240227192501.26602
@BEGIN NCM BODY
<url95q$3ba9t$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
@@END NCM BODY

It doesn't look like spam

Sincerely

[Ray Banana]

Post by llp
It doesn't look like spam
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 3
Notice-ID: fr.20240228203001.4802
@@BEGIN NCM BODY
@@END NCM BODY
It doesn't look like spam
@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
Version: 0.93
Type: spam
Action: hide
Count: 1
Notice-ID: fr.20240227192501.26602
@BEGIN NCM BODY
@@END NCM BODY
It doesn't look like spam

Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

[Eric M]

Post by Ray Banana
Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

[D]

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

usenet is autonomous and decentralized

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the reputation
of the person issuing them.

We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues that
were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

[Eric M]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the reputation
of the person issuing them.

Yes, but what about the newsmaster of a server depreciating what another
newsmaster does ? I thought usenet was a network where everyone was equal.
And now we have llp attacking three servers at a time (Nemo, PasDeNom ans
Paganini) and the newsmaster of ES participating in this campaign ? Do
they want to destroy the network ?

Post by Adam H. Kerman
We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues that
were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

LLP is a troll, he can launch a new thread everyday, that's what he did
with Alphanet, but it appears he wants to kill all the servers that do not
agree with him, he is a danger to what is left of usenet.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the reputation
of the person issuing them.

Yes, but what about the newsmaster of a server depreciating what another
newsmaster does ? I thought usenet was a network where everyone was equal.
And now we have llp attacking three servers at a time (Nemo, PasDeNom ans
Paganini) and the newsmaster of ES participating in this campaign ? Do
they want to destroy the network ?

Ray has his own opinion. He's certainly disagreed with me many times
over the years. I do comment but I'm not a News administrator. I cannot
comment on the quality of yamo's NoCeMs, just making a general comment on
reputation.

I take it Ray took a look and felt that some of them weren't issued as
abuse countermeasures.

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues that
were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

LLP is a troll, he can launch a new thread everyday, that's what he did
with Alphanet, but it appears he wants to kill all the servers that do not
agree with him, he is a danger to what is left of usenet.

Regardless of his desire, he has no such authority. Decentralization is
Usenet's greatest virtue.

I don't agree with you. That's over the top.

[Eric M]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Ray has his own opinion. He's certainly disagreed with me many times
over the years. I do comment but I'm not a News administrator. I cannot
comment on the quality of yamo's NoCeMs, just making a general comment on
reputation.

It's not about Ray.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M
LLP is a troll, he can launch a new thread everyday, that's what he did
with Alphanet, but it appears he wants to kill all the servers that do not
agree with him, he is a danger to what is left of usenet.

Regardless of his desire, he has no such authority. Decentralization is
Usenet's greatest virtue.

Look for a server named alphanet.ch, you won't find it, it was running
since 1996 before LLP came, so I think bullying can do terrible things.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't agree with you. That's over the top.

Ok, we'll see what he will find tomorrow (and the day after, etc).

[Ray Banana]

Post by Eric M
Yes, but what about the newsmaster of a server depreciating what
another newsmaster does ?

That was not depreciation, but criticism. A NoCeM issuer who publishes a
NoCeM policy should stick to his own policy at all times. Declaring
three of Adam's posts in n.a.n-a.u as "spam" as opposed to "spam2",
"spam3" and "spam4" (cf. https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html) is clearly
in violation of his own published policy and hence detrimental for his
reputation as a NoCeM issuer. The NoCeM message llp quoted is not an
individual case, there are more such dubious NoCeM messages;

<uro1jq$4mk$***@rasp.pasdenom.info>
<ursa4i$7bq$***@rasp.pasdenom.info>

Discussion and criticism of NoCeM messages in this group is explicitly
encouraged by the use of the Followup-To: header in each NoCeM message
and essential to improving the quality of NoCeMs.

Post by Eric M
And now we have llp attacking three servers at a
time (Nemo, PasDeNom ans Paganini) and the newsmaster of ES
participating in this campaign ? Do they want to destroy the network ?

Straw man fallacy or Classical unsubstantiated pontification, as Tholen
used to say.

I do not participate in any campaigns and I did not mention Nemoweb, let
alone Paganini, my criticism was solely directed at the operator of "nono
le petit robot", for the reason given above.

[Eric M]

Post by Ray Banana
That was not depreciation, but criticism. A NoCeM issuer who publishes a
NoCeM policy should stick to his own policy at all times. Declaring
three of Adam's posts in n.a.n-a.u as "spam" as opposed to "spam2",
"spam3" and "spam4" (cf. https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html) is clearly
in violation of his own published policy and hence detrimental for his
reputation as a NoCeM issuer. The NoCeM message llp quoted is not an
individual case, there are more such dubious NoCeM messages;

So simply don't use them, don't tell the world they are bad.

Post by Ray Banana
Discussion and criticism of NoCeM messages in this group is explicitly
encouraged by the use of the Followup-To: header in each NoCeM message
and essential to improving the quality of NoCeMs.

He will come every day with a new story, like he did in fr.*.

Post by Ray Banana
I do not participate in any campaigns and I did not mention Nemoweb, let
alone Paganini, my criticism was solely directed at the operator of "nono
le petit robot", for the reason given above.

Oh yes you are, you don't know it yet but one day you will realize.

[Nomen Nescio]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

I'd don't see any difference between this and the cancellers using
cancel messages as an abuse countermeasure. It's all about the
reputation of the person issuing them.
We've had thread after thread in which several of us pointed out both
false negatives and false positives. The various NoCeM issuers
participating in those threads took it seriously, addressing issues
that were raised. That's how you maintain your reputation.

Never mind that some of the issuers use it as a personal weapon to
censor posters who rub them raw, re: the Edmond Wollmann era. Ed did
have a way of inviting it though.

[yamo']

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Doesn't really improve yamo's reputation as a NoCem issuer.

Usenet, what a great family.

Thanks Éric

I do not have time at this time to read those bad posts

[yamo']

Hi,

I've just seen this thread,
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

[llp]

Post by yamo'
Hi,
I've just seen this thread,
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.
Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

And so nocem <uro1jq$4mk$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> come from ?

[Ray Banana]

Post by yamo'
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Hi, could you, please, check the following false positives:

2024-02-25 16:15:02 <urfp26$7lg$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urfp0j$f99$***@panix2.panix.com> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-02-25 21:15:02 <urgakm$bua$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urgajg$22g45$***@dont-email.me> news.software.readers
2024-02-25 21:55:02 <urgcvm$h62$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urgbs2$22t7u$***@dont-email.me> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-25 23:15:03 <urghln$qtb$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urgh6d$24l7j$***@dont-email.me> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-26 05:42:03 <urh8bb$2mi$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urh3g7$2mm6$***@neodome.net> news.admin.peering
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <***@oldernow.jethrick.com> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <92fdfc81-d367-3adb-58b6-***@example.net> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 11:42:03 <urhteb$c39$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <***@135.181.20.170> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 12:05:02 <urhupe$ej0$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <***@oldernow.jethrick.com> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 13:42:02 <uri4fa$pj7$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <***@135.181.20.170> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 16:15:02 <uride6$d2u$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urid51$2ke0h$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.peering
2024-02-26 21:42:03 <urj0jb$k8t$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <uriv0r$2oi5i$***@dont-email.me> news.software.readers
2024-02-26 23:42:02 <urj7ka$1lh$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <JXwMf+***@bongo-ra.co> news.software.readers
2024-02-27 05:42:02 <urjsna$5pl$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urjnhl$30pvi$***@dont-email.me> news.software.readers
2024-02-27 16:10:03 <url1gr$apn$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <urknhu$37cem$***@dont-email.me> news.groups.proposals
2024-02-27 18:25:02 <url9du$pvs$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <url95q$3ba9t$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-02-28 19:05:03 <uro04v$186$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <uro03k$1dv2$***@dont-email.me> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
2024-03-01 10:20:02 <ursa4i$7bq$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <ursa3g$rpl$***@gallifrey.nk.ca> news.admin.net-abuse.misc
2024-03-01 17:42:03 <urt41b$sse$***@rasp.pasdenom.info> <***@v.nguard.lh> news.software.readers

Thanks in advance.

[Eric M]

Are you a judge ?

[D]

Post by Ray Banana

Post by yamo'
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

Thanks in advance.

only curious . . . looks random, not selective . . . muddying the waters?

[candycanearter07]

Post by D

Post by Ray Banana

Post by yamo'
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

? Why am I being flagged?

Post by D

Post by Ray Banana
Thanks in advance.

only curious . . . looks random, not selective . . . muddying the waters?

[Eric M]

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

[Ray Banana]

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this
question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

[Eric M]

Post by Ray Banana
Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this
question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT,
there is really nothing to add.

[Frank Slootweg]

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this
question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT,
there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99%
spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for
example <uro1jq$4mk$***@rasp.pasdenom.info>).

So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

[Eric M]

Post by Frank Slootweg
So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

No, it's bullying. Nobody *has* to reply to you, you are not a judge, you
are not an authority, you are using Individual.net, so you are not even
concerned. If you want usenet to close, go on like that.

[Frank Slootweg]

Post by Eric M

Post by Frank Slootweg
So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

No, it's bullying. Nobody *has* to reply to you, you are not a judge, you
are not an authority, you are using Individual.net, so you are not even
concerned.

Ray, others and I have legitimate questions/concerns on what yamo' is
doing. If anyone is bullying, it's you, because you are telling us what
we can and can not discuss in this group.

And please drop the "judge" nonsense and look in the mirror when you
don't.

As to authority: Pot, kettle, ... (Actually, I am more an 'authority'
than you are, but it doesn't matter. "Users are people too!")

And who says using News.Individual.Net means that it does not concern
me? Do you know which NoCems are (not) processed by NIN?

Post by Eric M
If you want usenet to close, go on like that.

You're supposed to give a beverage alert before things like that.

[Eric M]

Post by Frank Slootweg
Ray, others and I have legitimate questions/concerns on what yamo' is
doing.

No, they are not, and it's not Ray, it's LLP who is mad because yamo'
depeered him after Marc Schaefer left usenet because of the same bullying.


So, do you want to kill usenet :

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

[Sn!pe]

Eric M <***@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

Post by Eric M
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Why beat about the bush, let's strip it down to the bare essentials, eh?
Answers on a postcard please.

It is becoming very difficult to take you seriously, Eric M.

[Frank Slootweg]

Post by Eric M

Post by Frank Slootweg
Ray, others and I have legitimate questions/concerns on what yamo' is
doing.

No, they are not, and it's not Ray, it's LLP who is mad because yamo'
depeered him after Marc Schaefer left usenet because of the same bullying.

Well, you told Ray "you are not a judge", so apparently it *is* also
about Ray.

As to your tiff with llp, we don't care. Well, I don't, because it's
just your word and I've seen enough bullying from your 'side' (plural).

Post by Eric M
[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Whether I ticked either box, it wouldn't mean/change a thing, so I'm
afraid Silly Games R Not Us.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Eric M

Post by Frank Slootweg
So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.

No, it's bullying. Nobody *has* to reply to you, you are not a judge, you
are not an authority, you are using Individual.net, so you are not even
concerned. If you want usenet to close, go on like that.

I'll make the same request of you that I made of Frank Slootweg: Don't
go over the top. You are not obligated to express an opinion about
yamo's reputation. That's your right. But commenting about whether yamo'
is maintaining a good reputation is not bullying.

There is actual judgment of yamo's reputation taking place by those who
run Usenet: the News administrators. If yamo' cannot maintain his
reputation with them, they won't accept his NoCeMs.

The rest of us are commenting without being News administrators
ourselves. We get to do that. It's unmoderated Usenet.

You post in NANAU. Weren't NoCeMs issued against your articles too?

[Eric M]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'll make the same request of you that I made of Frank Slootweg: Don't
go over the top. You are not obligated to express an opinion about
yamo's reputation. That's your right. But commenting about whether yamo'
is maintaining a good reputation is not bullying.

I know who launched this stupid discussion.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
There is actual judgment of yamo's reputation taking place by those who
run Usenet: the News administrators. If yamo' cannot maintain his
reputation with them, they won't accept his NoCeMs.

Well, ok, some of them won't, the same that already don't accept them,
what's the point ?

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The rest of us are commenting without being News administrators
ourselves. We get to do that. It's unmoderated Usenet.

Being a newsmaster doesn't make you a god, it just proves you have time to
lose :)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
You post in NANAU. Weren't NoCeMs issued against your articles too?

I don't think so, LLP canceled some of my posts for no reason but he
denies it.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'll make the same request of you that I made of Frank Slootweg: Don't
go over the top. You are not obligated to express an opinion about
yamo's reputation. That's your right. But commenting about whether yamo'
is maintaining a good reputation is not bullying.

I know who launched this stupid discussion.

I had disagreed with llp about cancels, but the NoCeMs include my
articles. There are no bright lines here separating sides as you are
trying to convince everyone of.

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
There is actual judgment of yamo's reputation taking place by those who
run Usenet: the News administrators. If yamo' cannot maintain his
reputation with them, they won't accept his NoCeMs.

Well, ok, some of them won't, the same that already don't accept them,
what's the point ?

It's unmoderated Usenet. We're having a discussion.

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The rest of us are commenting without being News administrators
ourselves. We get to do that. It's unmoderated Usenet.

Being a newsmaster doesn't make you a god, it just proves you have time to
lose :)

Post by Adam H. Kerman
You post in NANAU. Weren't NoCeMs issued against your articles too?

I don't think so, LLP canceled some of my posts for no reason but he
denies it.

[Eric M]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I had disagreed with llp about cancels, but the NoCeMs include my
articles. There are no bright lines here separating sides as you are
trying to convince everyone of.

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's
PasDeNom, who's next ?

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I had disagreed with llp about cancels, but the NoCeMs include my
articles. There are no bright lines here separating sides as you are
trying to convince everyone of.

Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's
PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

[Olivier Miakinen]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M
Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's
PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

You are right, let him talk and ignore him.

« As the saying goes, it takes two (or more) to Tango ;-) » (© Ray Banana)

[Eric M]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M
Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today it's
PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

I could take a look at his NoCems, I'm sure I would find many strange
things too, but I don't have the time for this, not anymore.

[Ray Banana]

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M
Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today
it's PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

I could take a look at his NoCems, I'm sure I would find many strange
things too, but I don't have the time for this, not anymore.

You are not a judge ;-P

I, for one, test all NoCems from all sources, even
my own, before I accept them on E-S. My users will first complain to me,
when articles are missing on the server and I will then find out who
sent these NoCeMs. If it looks like false positives, I will alert the
issuer of the notices, just like other newsadmins will do with my
notices. Except yamo'. they all replied and took the necessary action.
Except yamo', we all know we are not infallible.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Ray Banana

Post by Eric M

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Eric M
Look what's happening, last week Paganini was a rogue server, today
it's PasDeNom, who's next ?

You're not going to fix llp either.

I could take a look at his NoCems, I'm sure I would find many strange
things too, but I don't have the time for this, not anymore.

You are not a judge ;-P
I, for one, test all NoCems from all sources, even
my own, before I accept them on E-S. My users will first complain to me,

I'm so glad we users have our uses.

Post by Ray Banana
when articles are missing on the server and I will then find out who
sent these NoCeMs. If it looks like false positives, I will alert the
issuer of the notices, just like other newsadmins will do with my
notices. Except yamo'. they all replied and took the necessary action.
Except yamo', we all know we are not infallible.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by Frank Slootweg

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this
question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT,
there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

He cannot be forced to express an opinion about yamo's reputation if he
doesn't care to.

Post by Frank Slootweg
Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99%
spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

Please don't go over-the-top. I'm affected by this, same as you and
others posting in NANAU. A censor acts on behalf of the state. Yamo' is
not acting on anyone's behalf but his own. Not all suppression of speech
and publication is censorship as an act of a public official.

Post by Frank Slootweg
He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for
So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.
Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

I've said the same thing, that the reputation of the issuer of cancels
or NoCeMs as abuse countermeasures is what's important. Anybody can
issue these.

yamo' controls his own reputation.

[Frank Slootweg]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Frank Slootweg

Post by Eric M

Post by Ray Banana
Of course you don't know. Only the issuer of the NoCeMs can answer this
question reliably. Why doesn't yamo' speak for himself? Ignoring reports
about suspected false positives in NoCeM messages can seriously damage
his reputation.

I repeat myself one last time, you are not a judge, yamo' can broadcast
any NoCems he wants, if you have a problem with them don't use them. EOT,
there is really nothing to add.

Again, you defend the indefensible.

He cannot be forced to express an opinion about yamo's reputation if he
doesn't care to.

Of course he can't be forced, but that doesn't give him the right/
excuse to attack others who question yamo's actions. (Of course he *can*
attack others, but then he'll have to face the consequences. Which is
exactly what happened.)

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Frank Slootweg
Face it, yamo' posts NoCems for perfectly legit articles, which
amounts to censorship. But he *claims* he only addresses 'spam' ("99.99%
spam" <https://pasdenom.info/nocem.en.html>).

Please don't go over-the-top. I'm affected by this, same as you and
others posting in NANAU. A censor acts on behalf of the state. Yamo' is
not acting on anyone's behalf but his own. Not all suppression of speech
and publication is censorship as an act of a public official.

Censorship is not limited to the state or/and a public official, but
granted, censorship is normally not from a single individual. Your
"suppression of speech" is indeed better and hence fine by me.

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by Frank Slootweg
He apparently refuses to stand behind what he's doing, while *he*
(correctly) directs "Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" (see for
So as Ray says, it's about yamo's reputation.
Saying that Ray is free to not use yamo's NoCems is a copout to deflect
from the real issue.

I've said the same thing, that the reputation of the issuer of cancels
or NoCeMs as abuse countermeasures is what's important. Anybody can
issue these.
yamo' controls his own reputation.

Indeed. And we get to question it, in the face of facts. And that's
what we did.

[candycanearter07]

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

[Ray Banana]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,

Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

[candycanearter07]

Post by Ray Banana

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,
Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

Oh maybe..

[llp]

Post by candycanearter07

Thus spake candycanearter07

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

PMFJI, I think you made a mistake with your mail address. You got
permission to use nomail.afraid.org and not a non-existent subdomain of
it. The domain nomail.afraid does not exist, just like the top level
domain .afraid,
Does yamo issue NoCeMs for non-existent domain names in the from address?

Oh maybe..

Or maybe not.
You're not the only contributor to this group to have been unwittingly
targeted by yamo nocems.

We'll probably never know as yamo said:
"Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ..."

nota: "nono" is the name of his bot.

[Eric M]

Post by candycanearter07

Post by Eric M

Post by candycanearter07
? Why am I being flagged?

I don't know, but your invalid mail must end with ".invalid".

It's a real domain that Spalls Surgeston let me use. I don't think
they ever check the email tho.

Even if you can use it, it can't be an email address, so your from is
invalid which can cause problems.

[yamo']

Hi,

I've been away from usenet since 1st march.

Post by Ray Banana

Post by yamo'
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

I've seen it. Nono doesn't like crossposts and is trained on fr.
Already marked has ham.
The style may be like a french troller...
Fixed but may be varying...
I added exceptions.
The same.
Surely the neodome reputation...
Only spam3 and now when reread not seen as spam.
Only spam3, marked has ham.
The same.
Spam2 and now not seen as spam.
Only spam3 and now not seen as spam.
Too much quote for nono so looked like as a spam and now not seen as spam.
Probably because of precedent posts marked as ham.
An error in a rule for the flood writer.com.
Fixed.
Only spam3.
Reference to some loans like in many spams...
Fixed.
Only spam3. Loans and a bug on a rule on drugs.
Marked has ham.
Fixed.
Fixed with an exception.
Strange. Actually not seen as spam.
The same.
A guy who is often quoting spam...
Bugs in a rule, marked has ham.

Post by Ray Banana
Thanks in advance.

[Ray Banana]

Post by yamo'
Hi,
I've been away from usenet since 1st march.

[...]

Post by yamo'
A guy who is often quoting spam...

Well, he likes full quotes with WOL (Witless One Liners) added ;-)

Post by yamo'
Bugs in a rule, marked has ham.

Thank you for looking into these issues and fixing the rules.

[Adam W.]

Post by yamo'
I've just seen this thread,

Me too.

Post by yamo'
Strange, check at this time does not match them has spam.

So you don't have them flagged as spam in the logs, but your bot still
sent NoCeMs for them for some reason? It might be an issue worth
investigating...

Post by yamo'
Nono, will not look at news.admin.net-abuse.usenet ...

I don't think that whitelisting one group will fix this bug. It might
reappear on another groups.

[yamo']

Salut,

Post by Adam W.
I don't think that whitelisting one group will fix this bug. It might
reappear on another groups.

My spamassassin is trained on fr.* and doesn't like non-french posts so
before finding the good solutions only looking fr.* is a solution...