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FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines
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Tim Skirvin
2024-09-08 00:02:01 UTC
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Archive-name: usenet/spam-faq
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998/11/10
URL: http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/spam/
Maintainer: ***@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin)
Original-Author: ***@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)

Current Spam thresholds and guidelines.

This article is intended to describe the current consensus spam thresholds
and ensure that the definitions of these terms are available and consistent.
It is believed that most, if not all, spam cancellers use these terms and
definitions in their work; however, many other people use the terms
inappropriately, which leads to confusion in discussions. This is an
informal FAQ aimed at clarity and understanding, not anal-retentive
correctness.

Excessive Multi-Posting (EMP) has the same meaning as the term "spam"
usually carries, but it is more accurate and self-explanatory. EMP means,
essentially, "too many separate copies of a substantively identical
article."

"Substantively identical" means that the material in each article is
sufficiently similar to construe the same message. The signature is
included in the determination. These are examples of substantively
identical articles:

- byte-for-byte identical messages
- otherwise identical postings minimally customized for
each group it appears in.
- advertising the same service.
- articles that consist solely of the same signature
- articles which consist of inclusions of other user's
postings, but are otherwise identical.

Cross-posting means that a single message appears in more than one group.
Most newsreaders allow you to specify more than one group in a posting.

Excessive Crossposting (ECP) refers to where a "lot" of postings to more
than one group each have been made.

Some people think cross-posting is "bad". In and of itself, it's good
behaviour - it allows you to reach more groups with less impact on the net.
Especially if you set the Followup-to: header to one group. It is "bad"
when it's done to attack newsgroups or provoke flamewars (like cross-posting
how to cook a cat between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats), but this is beyond
the scope of this FAQ.

This author considers the term "spam" to mean excessive postings of
EMP and/or ECP variety. That is, "spam", is a generic term for several
different things. The term was originally supposed to mean EMPs only, but
most people use "spam" to mean "any excessive posting".

A spam, EMP, or ECP therefore refers to a posting that has been posted to
many places. There is a consensus that there is a point at which it is
abuse, and is subject to advisory cancellation.

A formula has been invented by Seth Breidbart which attempts to
quantify the degree of "badness" of a spam (whether EMP or ECP) as a
single number. The Breidbart Index (BI) is defined as the sum of the
square roots of n (n is the number of newsgroups each copy was posted
to).

Example: If two copies of a posting are made, one to 9 groups, and one
to 16, the BI index is sqrt(9)+sqrt(16) = 3+4 = 7.

The BI2 (Breidbart Index, version 2) is an experimental metric, which
may eventually replace the BI. It is calculated by computing the sum
of the square roots of n, plus the sum of n, and dividing by two. Eg:
one posting to 9, and one to 16 is

(sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 16) / 2
( 3 + 4 + 9 + 16 ) / 2 = 32 / 2 = 16

The BI2 is more "aggressive" than the BI, intended to cut off the "higher
end". BI allows about 125 newsgroups maximum. BI2 allows a maximum of 35.

A slightly less aggressive index is the SBI (Skirvin-Breidbart Index); it
is calculated much the same as the BI2, but sums the number of groups in
the Followup-to: header (if available), rather than the newsgroups. Eg:
one posting to 9 groups, and one to 16 with followups set to 4 is

(sqrt(9) + sqrt(16) + 9 + 4) / 2
( 3 + 4 + 9 + 4 ) / 2 = 20 / 2 = 10

Except in nl.*, where the SBI is followed, the BI2 and SBI are not used to
determine whether a spam is cancellable.

The thresholds for spam cancels are based _only_ on one or more of the
following measures:

1) The BI is 20 or greater over a 45 day period.
2) is a continuation of a previous EMP/ECP, within a 45 day
sliding window. That is: if the articles posted within the
past 45 days exceeds a BI threshold of 20, it gets removed,
unless the originator has made a clear and obvious effort to
cease spamming (which includes an undertaking to do so
posted in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet). This includes "make
money fast" schemes which passed the EMP/ECP thresholds
several years ago. This author recommends one posting
cross-posted to no more than 10 groups, no more often than
once every two weeks (a BI of 3).

A single posting cannot be cancellable - to reach a BI of 20, it would
have to be cross-posted to 400 groups. This isn't possible due to
limitations in Usenet software.

These thresholds nominally apply to all hierarchies - not just the Big-8
and alt.*. Many hierarchies have more restrictive rules, which are decided
upon and enforced by their users and administrators; they may also opt out
of the cancellations, at the discretion of the same users and admins.

These cancels have nothing whatsoever to do with the contents of the
message. It doesn't matter if it's an advertisement, it doesn't matter if
it's abusive, it doesn't matter whether it's on-topic in the groups it was
posted in, it doesn't matter whether the posting is for a "good cause" or
not - spam is cancelled regardless, based on _how many times_ it was said
and not _what_ was said.

Administrators wishing to ignore spam cancels can "alias out" the site
"cyberspam", and the cancels will not affect your system. This is normally
done at your feed site, but patches are available for INN to allow you to
reject spam cancels on your own system. Ask in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
if you need this patch.

Further literature on posting etiquette and related information:

The newsgroup news.announce.newusers
<URL:news:news.announce.newusers>

"What is Usenet", by Salzenberg, Spafford and Moraes
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1>

"What is Usenet? A second opinion.", by Vielmetti
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part2>

"FAQ: Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How Not To Do It", by Furr
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1>

"A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community", by Von Rospach, et al
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1>

"Rules for posting to Usenet", by Horton, Spafford & Moraes.
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1>

"Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette", by Templeton et al
<URL:ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1>

Numerous books and publications on Usenet, such as O'Reilly's "Stopping
Spam" (Schwartz and Garfinkel), the "Whole Internet Guide and Catalog"
(Krol), "Usenet Handbook" (Harrison), etc.

"Cancel Messages: Frequently Asked Questions", by Skirvin
<URL:http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/cancel/>

RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines
<URL:http://rfc.net/rfc1855.html>

The above FAQs are also mirrored at various sites, including as ftp.sunet.se,
mirror.aol.com, ftp.uu.net, ftp.uni-paderborn.de, nctuccca.edu.tw,
hwarang.postech.ac.kr, ftp.hk.super.net etc.

A mailing list has been set up to assist those wishing to post commercial
advertisements on Usenet in a responsible fashion. Email your questions to
***@acpub.duke.edu.
D
2024-09-08 00:42:11 UTC
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Post by Tim Skirvin
Archive-name: usenet/spam-faq
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998/11/10
URL: http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/spam/
Current Spam thresholds and guidelines.
This article is intended to describe the current consensus spam thresholds
just a random sample, in no particular order . . . newsdemon, giganews,
easynews, and eternal-september appear to be among the worst offenders,
but every news server in the world belongs somewhere further down this
very long list of peers that enable and tolerate the usenet troll farm,
particularly those that allow mass crossposting and unlimited trolling;
these troll farm "regulars" have been flooding usenet since noah's ark:

HeartDoc Andrew - newsdemon.com
Peeler - newsdemon.com
Quack Andrew B. Chung - newsdemon.com
NefeshBarYochai - usenet.farm
Michael Christ - eternal-september.org
Governor Swill - easynews.com
Siri Cruise - eternal-september.org
FPP - eternal-september.org
Mitchell Holman - uzoreto.com / vipernews.com
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer - eternal-september.org
% - giganews.com
Klaus Schadenfreude - giganews.com
Cardinal de Here - eternal-september.org
Richard Hachel - nemoweb.net
Rudy Canoza - easynews.com
AlleyCat - eternal-september.org
Alan - eternal-september.org
Rich - solani.org
Andrew - solani.org
BTR1701 - giganews.com
shawn - eternal-september.org
trotsky - astraweb.com
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
David Dalton - eternal-september.org
Ian J. Ball - eternal-september.org
anim8rfsk - easynews.com
pothead - eternal-september.org
DocUFO - eternal-september.org
Steven Douglas - tweaknews.nl
JTEM - eternal-september.org
rjac - theworld.com
R Kym Horsell - blueworldhosting.com
Loran - eternal-september.org
useapen - eternal-september.org
Intelligent Party - eternal-september.org
ad infinitum...
R Daneel Olivaw
2024-09-08 13:39:20 UTC
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Post by D
Post by Tim Skirvin
Archive-name: usenet/spam-faq
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998/11/10
URL: http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/spam/
Current Spam thresholds and guidelines.
This article is intended to describe the current consensus spam thresholds
just a random sample, in no particular order . . . newsdemon, giganews,
easynews, and eternal-september appear to be among the worst offenders,
but every news server in the world belongs somewhere further down this
very long list of peers that enable and tolerate the usenet troll farm,
particularly those that allow mass crossposting and unlimited trolling;
HeartDoc Andrew - newsdemon.com
Peeler - newsdemon.com
Quack Andrew B. Chung - newsdemon.com
NefeshBarYochai - usenet.farm
Michael Christ - eternal-september.org
Governor Swill - easynews.com
Siri Cruise - eternal-september.org
FPP - eternal-september.org
Mitchell Holman - uzoreto.com / vipernews.com
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer - eternal-september.org
% - giganews.com
Klaus Schadenfreude - giganews.com
Cardinal de Here - eternal-september.org
Richard Hachel - nemoweb.net
Rudy Canoza - easynews.com
AlleyCat - eternal-september.org
Alan - eternal-september.org
Rich - solani.org
Andrew - solani.org
BTR1701 - giganews.com
shawn - eternal-september.org
trotsky - astraweb.com
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
David Dalton - eternal-september.org
Ian J. Ball - eternal-september.org
anim8rfsk - easynews.com
pothead - eternal-september.org
DocUFO - eternal-september.org
Steven Douglas - tweaknews.nl
JTEM - eternal-september.org
rjac - theworld.com
R Kym Horsell - blueworldhosting.com
Loran - eternal-september.org
useapen - eternal-september.org
Intelligent Party - eternal-september.org
ad infinitum...
I'd subtract
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
<v7s9sq$15lt7$***@paganini.bofh.team>, I'd add
D <***@example.net>
in his place.
D
2024-09-08 15:58:02 UTC
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Post by R Daneel Olivaw
Post by D
HeartDoc Andrew - newsdemon.com
Peeler - newsdemon.com
Quack Andrew B. Chung - newsdemon.com
NefeshBarYochai - usenet.farm
Michael Christ - eternal-september.org
Governor Swill - easynews.com
Siri Cruise - eternal-september.org
FPP - eternal-september.org
Mitchell Holman - uzoreto.com / vipernews.com
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer - eternal-september.org
% - giganews.com
Klaus Schadenfreude - giganews.com
Cardinal de Here - eternal-september.org
Richard Hachel - nemoweb.net
Rudy Canoza - easynews.com
AlleyCat - eternal-september.org
Alan - eternal-september.org
Rich - solani.org
Andrew - solani.org
BTR1701 - giganews.com
shawn - eternal-september.org
trotsky - astraweb.com
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
David Dalton - eternal-september.org
Ian J. Ball - eternal-september.org
anim8rfsk - easynews.com
pothead - eternal-september.org
DocUFO - eternal-september.org
Steven Douglas - tweaknews.nl
JTEM - eternal-september.org
rjac - theworld.com
R Kym Horsell - blueworldhosting.com
Loran - eternal-september.org
useapen - eternal-september.org
Intelligent Party - eternal-september.org
ad infinitum...
I'd subtract
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
in his place.
"i that do bring the news made not the match"
Sn!pe
2024-09-08 16:23:03 UTC
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D <***@mixmin.net> wrote:

[...]
Post by D
Post by R Daneel Olivaw
I'd subtract
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
in his place.
"i that do bring the news made not the match"
From: D <***@mixmin.net>
Message-Id: <***@mixmin.net>

** Organization: dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider **

Enough said?
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS, Pro Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-09-08 16:02:55 UTC
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Post by R Daneel Olivaw
Post by D
just a random sample, in no particular order . . . newsdemon, giganews,
easynews, and eternal-september appear to be among the worst offenders,
but every news server in the world belongs somewhere further down this
very long list of peers that enable and tolerate the usenet troll farm,
particularly those that allow mass crossposting and unlimited trolling;
HeartDoc Andrew - newsdemon.com
Peeler - newsdemon.com
Quack Andrew B. Chung - newsdemon.com
NefeshBarYochai - usenet.farm
Michael Christ - eternal-september.org
Governor Swill - easynews.com
Siri Cruise - eternal-september.org
FPP - eternal-september.org
Mitchell Holman - uzoreto.com / vipernews.com
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer - eternal-september.org
% - giganews.com
Klaus Schadenfreude - giganews.com
Cardinal de Here - eternal-september.org
Richard Hachel - nemoweb.net
Rudy Canoza - easynews.com
AlleyCat - eternal-september.org
Alan - eternal-september.org
Rich - solani.org
Andrew - solani.org
BTR1701 - giganews.com
shawn - eternal-september.org
trotsky - astraweb.com
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
David Dalton - eternal-september.org
Ian J. Ball - eternal-september.org
anim8rfsk - easynews.com
pothead - eternal-september.org
DocUFO - eternal-september.org
Steven Douglas - tweaknews.nl
JTEM - eternal-september.org
rjac - theworld.com
R Kym Horsell - blueworldhosting.com
Loran - eternal-september.org
useapen - eternal-september.org
Intelligent Party - eternal-september.org
ad infinitum...
I'd subtract
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
in his place.
Nah. I'm proud to be on that lits-o-haet and I'm jealous that I'm not
ranked higher.
The Doctor
2024-09-08 18:34:32 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by R Daneel Olivaw
Post by D
just a random sample, in no particular order . . . newsdemon, giganews,
easynews, and eternal-september appear to be among the worst offenders,
but every news server in the world belongs somewhere further down this
very long list of peers that enable and tolerate the usenet troll farm,
particularly those that allow mass crossposting and unlimited trolling;
HeartDoc Andrew - newsdemon.com
Peeler - newsdemon.com
Quack Andrew B. Chung - newsdemon.com
NefeshBarYochai - usenet.farm
Michael Christ - eternal-september.org
Governor Swill - easynews.com
Siri Cruise - eternal-september.org
FPP - eternal-september.org
Mitchell Holman - uzoreto.com / vipernews.com
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer - eternal-september.org
% - giganews.com
Klaus Schadenfreude - giganews.com
Cardinal de Here - eternal-september.org
Richard Hachel - nemoweb.net
Rudy Canoza - easynews.com
AlleyCat - eternal-september.org
Alan - eternal-september.org
Rich - solani.org
Andrew - solani.org
BTR1701 - giganews.com
shawn - eternal-september.org
trotsky - astraweb.com
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
David Dalton - eternal-september.org
Ian J. Ball - eternal-september.org
anim8rfsk - easynews.com
pothead - eternal-september.org
DocUFO - eternal-september.org
Steven Douglas - tweaknews.nl
JTEM - eternal-september.org
rjac - theworld.com
R Kym Horsell - blueworldhosting.com
Loran - eternal-september.org
useapen - eternal-september.org
Intelligent Party - eternal-september.org
ad infinitum...
I'd subtract
Adam H. Kerman - eternal-september.org
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
in his place.
Nah. I'm proud to be on that lits-o-haet and I'm jealous that I'm not
ranked higher.
Some lunatics for you.
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Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
D
2024-09-08 23:23:25 UTC
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Post by R Daneel Olivaw
from that list, and based on his postings from the thread starting with
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?

hmm... this "d" posts from i2pn2.org, not mix/yamn remailers using m2n
gateways; yet i've seen probably hundreds of article headers with that
user's handle in some of the newsgroups that i happen to subscribe to,
e.g., alt.fan.usenet, alt.culture.usenet, news.groups, comp.misc, etc.;
also, the cited article <v7s9sq$15lt7$***@paganini.bofh.team> appears in
a thread with no less than 515 replies in newsgroups flooded with spam
Post by R Daneel Olivaw
Path: news...!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: GNOME bans Manjaro Core Team Member for uttering "Lunduke"
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:30:46 -0000
Xref: news... comp.os.linux.advocacy:127259 comp.os.linux.misc:40724 alt.folklore.computers:17983
Maintainer banned for naming our favorite Jewish Software Fuhrer!
Lunduke is Jewish and somehow a bunch of queer white men keep calling
him, 'anti-semite'. Trans supremacist nutjobs beg for a final solution.
GNOME bans Manjaro Core Team Member for uttering "Lunduke"
video -

The GNOME team has censored -- and deleted the account -- of the
maintainer of Manjaro Linux GNOME Edition. Why? Because he linked to a
Lunduke article.
https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5908516/gnome-bans-manjaro-core-team-member-for-uttering-lunduke
https://lunduke.com/
[end quote]

some article bodies that i've seen with "d <***@example.net>" in the
threads did not seem terribly rude or off-topic, and as far as i recall,
neither has that "d" ever responded directly to any of my contributions;
but of course that could simply mean he/she has filtered remailers...or?

for future reference, any message-id citations should at a minimum cite
the newsgroup(s) of that article's origin; otherwise, it's amateur hour
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